Presbyterians to allow gay ministers

StarTribune: Presbyterians to allow gay ministers

…Twin Cities Presbyterians cast a historic vote on Tuesday to allow openly gay and lesbian members to be ordained ministers.

Presbyterian leaders say the Twin Cities vote of 205 to 56 was the final action needed to end the 2.1 million-member denomination's national ban on gay clergy. A majority of the 173 U.S. presbyteries had to vote in favor of the new policy adopted last summer at the group's national assembly. The Twin Cities Presbytery happened to cast the 87th, and deciding, vote.

"It's very exciting," said the Rev. Timothy Hart-Andersen, pastor of Westminster Presbyterian in downtown Minneapolis and founder of advocacy group Covenant Network of Presbyterians, which supports the ordination of openly gay clergy. "I found myself welling up with tears. Up until now they've had to be closeted. Now they'll be able to come out. It will honor them as individuals and as full human beings like anyone else serving the church."

Hart-Anderson spoke in favor of the change was among the 264 elders and ministers within the Presbytery of the Twin Cities Area, who cast votes at Peace Presbyterian Church Tuesday afternoon. Three voters abstained.

During the meeting, supporters and opponents of the change spoke to the assembled voters.

"It's very unfortunate we have to have this discussion today," said Peter Hwang, a member of the Korean Presbyterian Church. "I think we should be ashamed of ourselves. This homosexual issue is breaking our church. We need to abide by Scripture."

The denomination, based in Louisville, Ky., is the latest mainline Protestant group to move toward accepting same-gender relationships. …

Technically, the change does not take effect until July, on the anniversary of the end of the 2010 Assembly. Theoretically, presbyteries could reconsider and change their votes between now and then. But for practical purposes, the change has occurred.

What this means at this point is that the denomination takes no position on the issue. It is up to presbyteries to decide about the ordination of pastors, and sessions about the ordination of elders and deacons, on a case-by-case basis.


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6 responses to “Presbyterians to allow gay ministers”

  1. “It is up to presbyteries to decide about ordination of pastors, and sessions about ordination of elders and deacons, on a case-by-case basis.” Yes, and the presbyteries also voted to prevent a prosecuting committee appeal a decision that goes against them. Doesn’t this create the scenario where the presbytery will ordain who they want and when someone opposes it and files charges the presbytery will acquit itself and that will be the end of it.
    Perhaps I’m being a little to cynical here.

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    Travis Greene

    Aren’t you guys under a call system, such that hiring is up to the individual church anyway?

  3. Neil, I’m not sure what that is quite right but I do recall that one of the other amendments dealt with appeals. I’d have to go back and refresh my memory.

  4. Travis, elders and deacons are ordained by the congregations session/board. The pastors are not members of congregations. They are members of presbyteries. The presbytery ordains pastor.
    We talk about installing pastors as a three-way call. The pastor, the presbytery, and the congregation all have to agree to a call and all three are needed to dissolve a call. It is a bit more messy than congregations calling their own pastor.

  5. Travis Greene Avatar
    Travis Greene

    Thanks for the clarification.

  6. Really is quite the move toward independence since we also, it seems, will not need to recognize each other’s ordination… gone are the days, it seems, when we ordained on behalf of the whole church…

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